Questions on House Rules: Raging Back
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Questions on House Rules: Raging Back
Death (Garou; Kinfolk):
2. Garou -Raging Back -Follow the rules under Incapacitated (see #1). Additionally, you may expend a permanent rage for a retest in a Rage Back challenge. You may do this until you are out of Rage. If you expend your last Rage and fail the challenge you are d-e-a-d. Additionally if you expend your last Rage and win the challenge you may no longer buy Rage Tempers. However -your character will be alive! a. You may double your Rage versus this challenge.
Wat? Can anyone ask a more articulate question about the intention behind this house rule? I'm tired of seeing my own written arguments
2. Garou -Raging Back -Follow the rules under Incapacitated (see #1). Additionally, you may expend a permanent rage for a retest in a Rage Back challenge. You may do this until you are out of Rage. If you expend your last Rage and fail the challenge you are d-e-a-d. Additionally if you expend your last Rage and win the challenge you may no longer buy Rage Tempers. However -your character will be alive! a. You may double your Rage versus this challenge.
Wat? Can anyone ask a more articulate question about the intention behind this house rule? I'm tired of seeing my own written arguments
Griffin Defoe- Posts : 1818
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Re: Questions on House Rules: Raging Back
Nah you keep going buddy.
Makes-Insides-Outside- Posts : 1485
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Re: Questions on House Rules: Raging Back
^ Just fucking with yah.
/activates articulate question mode
1. Has there been a circumstance that has caused a need to amend the currently published rule about raging back?
2. What is unclear about the rule already listed in the book?
3. Are any players abusing the rule about raging back or are we attempting to follow an org established trend?
/activates articulate question mode
1. Has there been a circumstance that has caused a need to amend the currently published rule about raging back?
2. What is unclear about the rule already listed in the book?
3. Are any players abusing the rule about raging back or are we attempting to follow an org established trend?
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Makes-Insides-Outside- Posts : 1485
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Re: Questions on House Rules: Raging Back
I have a couple of questions on this one actually.
First, is there a reason for allowing so many retests? I've always been under the impression that Raging Back was supposed to be your last shot, and thus a really big deal. Letting people spend permanent Rage for multiple retests lessens both the threat of death and the impact or the Rage Back itself. Does it offer something that I'm missing?
Also, even if that mechanic stays, I'm very confused by the idea that Rage becomes permanently unavailable if you spend all of your permanents and survive. Is it to offer the option of retests while making it unappealing to use all of them? Would a character even be the viable within the Nation without the ability to shift?
Matt
First, is there a reason for allowing so many retests? I've always been under the impression that Raging Back was supposed to be your last shot, and thus a really big deal. Letting people spend permanent Rage for multiple retests lessens both the threat of death and the impact or the Rage Back itself. Does it offer something that I'm missing?
Also, even if that mechanic stays, I'm very confused by the idea that Rage becomes permanently unavailable if you spend all of your permanents and survive. Is it to offer the option of retests while making it unappealing to use all of them? Would a character even be the viable within the Nation without the ability to shift?
Matt
Kiril Sokolov- Posts : 200
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Re: Questions on House Rules: Raging Back
So, if you use your last rage to rage back, you can never buy rage again. That means that you lose the ability to shift forms (and fuel gifts that use rage).
I'm confused as to the spirit of this as well. Why would you lose the ability to purchase rage? Could you still gain temporary rage? Could you enter rage challenges (but be subject to losing on ties and begin over bid since you are bidding 0 effectively ). Can you no longer enter frenzy or are you still counted as having "a beast" ?
If not do you therefore essentially become a Gnostic Kinfolk, except that you register as Garou for sensing gifts and your trait caps are based on rank?
What is the spirit of this ruling and what about everything else I mentioned?
I'm confused as to the spirit of this as well. Why would you lose the ability to purchase rage? Could you still gain temporary rage? Could you enter rage challenges (but be subject to losing on ties and begin over bid since you are bidding 0 effectively ). Can you no longer enter frenzy or are you still counted as having "a beast" ?
If not do you therefore essentially become a Gnostic Kinfolk, except that you register as Garou for sensing gifts and your trait caps are based on rank?
What is the spirit of this ruling and what about everything else I mentioned?
Frost in His Hair- Posts : 239
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Re: Questions on House Rules: Raging Back
See Donald Glass if you want viability in the nation without Rage.
The option for the permanent rage is a flavor issue that we believe will help the story in the game.
As for permanently unable to buy back your rage - consider it simply this. You have permanently lost your wolf. It's hard enough when you spend tempers when it is only temporary to regain that rage.
End Result: House Rule in play. Non-Negotiable.
The option for the permanent rage is a flavor issue that we believe will help the story in the game.
As for permanently unable to buy back your rage - consider it simply this. You have permanently lost your wolf. It's hard enough when you spend tempers when it is only temporary to regain that rage.
End Result: House Rule in play. Non-Negotiable.
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Re: Questions on House Rules: Raging Back
There's no canonical example of a Garou fighting his way back from death by permanently giving up his Wolf. This rule suggests this legitimately can happen ad infinitum. It's a truly bizarre deviation from the book. I see this as creative, but excessively hyper-inventive.
You're right, though, you're the ST and they're your rules to put in play.
You're right, though, you're the ST and they're your rules to put in play.
Griffin Defoe- Posts : 1818
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Re: Questions on House Rules: Raging Back
You'll notice a bit of copy paste here
We're looking to be more flavorful with our actions in raging back. This house rule we believe will assist with it. Moving from a one chop you're dead to a multiple retest but hard life afterwards could help with this. We are taking suggestions however so please feel free to make them here or e-mail us at the ST addy we use. As much crazy as we are, we're also looking to make the experience fun in the long run.
We're looking to be more flavorful with our actions in raging back. This house rule we believe will assist with it. Moving from a one chop you're dead to a multiple retest but hard life afterwards could help with this. We are taking suggestions however so please feel free to make them here or e-mail us at the ST addy we use. As much crazy as we are, we're also looking to make the experience fun in the long run.
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Re: Questions on House Rules: Raging Back
Here we go. Compromise for the time being.
Garou - Raging Back - Follow the rules under Incapacitated (see #1). Additionally, you may expend a single permanent rage for a retest in a Rage Back challenge. If you expend your last Rage and fail the challenge you are d-e-a-d. Additionally if you expend your last Rage and win the challenge you may no longer buy Rage Tempers without an ST directly signing off on this expenditure. However - your character will be alive!
Changes:
1. Only permanent rage only on a rage back. You still get a retest but it's costly.
2. If this is your absolute last rage (as in you blew your Rage all over that combat except for one) and you spend it and lose the challenge, then consider yourself d-e-a-d.
3. If you succeed instead of fail and that was your final rage, then consider yourself blocked from buying tempers back until some crazy ass quest to find that piece of your wolf is done. Be prepared for story and plot with you as the main character.
Garou - Raging Back - Follow the rules under Incapacitated (see #1). Additionally, you may expend a single permanent rage for a retest in a Rage Back challenge. If you expend your last Rage and fail the challenge you are d-e-a-d. Additionally if you expend your last Rage and win the challenge you may no longer buy Rage Tempers without an ST directly signing off on this expenditure. However - your character will be alive!
Changes:
1. Only permanent rage only on a rage back. You still get a retest but it's costly.
2. If this is your absolute last rage (as in you blew your Rage all over that combat except for one) and you spend it and lose the challenge, then consider yourself d-e-a-d.
3. If you succeed instead of fail and that was your final rage, then consider yourself blocked from buying tempers back until some crazy ass quest to find that piece of your wolf is done. Be prepared for story and plot with you as the main character.
ST Jonah- Storyteller
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Re: Questions on House Rules: Raging Back
Having had this exact thing happen to a PC of mine in another game (and I requested it, kind of), I will attest that it's an interesting and somewhat fun plot concept to explore.
Grip- Posts : 532
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Re: Questions on House Rules: Raging Back
I'll admit, deviating from the book a bit for isolated cases and storylines can be fun...
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